Poll: Remove Mages P.def Toggle Or..

[CaoNiMa]

Introduce one for fighter classes that increase M.def/resistance to debuffs/cancels.

You honestly can't expect mages to get away with a toggle to boost p.def and not give the fighters something too?

WTF were you guys thinking?

Either REMOVE this stupid skill (never saw any notes on this skill being introduce, it's not an official skill for C5+) OR introduce a toggle for M.Def for the fighters.

Way to unbalance the game JUST a little more! Not like we need more scrub mages running around! IF YOU CAN'T STAND GETTING HIT FOR A LOT OF DAMAGE FROM A FIGHTER CLASS DON'T FREAKING PLAY SOMETHING THAT RUNS AROUND IN ROBES FFS.

Mages don't need this skill.

[Endrance]

i've hearded alot of that p.def skill for mages but i've never seen it i've opened a theard thar me and Veritas talk only about that, both me and Veritas don't agree with that stupid skil if a mage can't take it get better p.def buff, so it won't be crying around, and GM if u put some MAGE skill for p.def at least put it on ALL MAGES not in some, necro doesn't have that skill

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>REMOVE<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

[CaoNiMa]

Because necros have transfer pain, it would be rediculous to give that to necros, I guess someoen was half using their brain there.

I dont agree with such a skill being implemented in the first place, mages aren't supposed to tank anything anyways.

[Veritas]

So wait,

Give Mystics - P-Def Toggle
Give Fighters - ??????

yeah, remove

[bLANkA]

/Remove Or Give Fighters A Skill To Fly HHAHAHAHA Its Redicilus The Way The Game Loses Balance.Mages=No Pdef,Now What U Want To Create,The Uber Char?oO REMOVE PLS

[Veritas]

/Remove Or Give Fighters A Skill To Fly HHAHAHAHA Its Redicilus The Way The Game Loses Balance.Mages=No Pdef,Now What U Want To Create,The Uber Char?oO REMOVE PLS

I wish they would NOT customize skills here. Just leave the game how it is, otherwise, unless you add one skill to every class its not equal. I do not believe adding a skill to Sorcerers and not to anyother Fighter class makes me think you are favoring Mystics. If so then come out and say so, we will have 90% of players Mystics = BORING.

[bLANkA]

I wish they would NOT customize skills here. Just leave the game how it is, otherwise, unless you add one skill to every class its not equal. I do not believe adding a skill to Sorcerers and not to anyother Fighter class makes me think you are favoring Mystics. If so then come out and say so, we will have 90% of players Mystics = BORING.

/Agree Captain!:p

[Endrance]

I wish they would NOT customize skills here. Just leave the game how it is, otherwise, unless you add one skill to every class its not equal. I do not believe adding a skill to Sorcerers and not to anyother Fighter class makes me think you are favoring Mystics. If so then come out and say so, we will have 90% of players Mystics = BORING.

/agree
PS: my main char is fighter xD
my sub is mystic necro (i dont got the p.def toggle xD)

[Dangerboy]

The problem is the mages are already mega fighters. they dont need added pdef outside a buff that is available to everyone fighter ,mage or what ever.

I cant recal the last time I got a shot off that hit a nuker and interupted their magic attack. The server is way to off balanced now how about thinking up something for other classes for a change. LIke distance +3 for archer, Or more crits for dorfs, Or even just stop super combinations buy any class that dont play like retail.


I would have to say I agree/no pdef

[dailyBanned]

as i posted before (but got deleted) , is this p.def toggle buff usable in the oly? I know this is a very awkward question and will probably get my account banned and all my previous posts erased but i'd like to know the answer ;)

[elKabroN]

Way to unbalance the game JUST a little more!

what you call balanced? getting 1 shotted everytime by a 10k crit. archer???
gg!


i'm not saying i NEED this... but please... dont say it will unbalance the game...

[Rhianwen]

Also , dont get me wrong here as i'm an archer to......but playing on my destroyer, at level 78 in full enchanted imperial heavy, i still get critted around 3.6k by archers.......is that normal ? Would of figured maybe 1.5k -2k max fully aio buffed........

(never played a destroyer on retail so no idea) ...

[antonius]

can i know what are u guys are talking about?

:)

[CaoNiMa]

what you call balanced? getting 1 shotted everytime by a 10k crit. archer???
gg!


i'm not saying i NEED this... but please... dont say it will unbalance the game...

Again.

MAGES ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HARD TARGETS YOU WEAR ROBES FFS OF COURSE GETTING HIT WILL HURT.

[CaoNiMa]

Also , dont get me wrong here as i'm an archer to......but playing on my destroyer, at level 78 in full enchanted imperial heavy, i still get critted around 3.6k by archers.......is that normal ? Would of figured maybe 1.5k -2k max fully aio buffed........

(never played a destroyer on retail so no idea) ...

If you ever watched Devy (remember FETTO? his reroll char) his PR with just retail buffs (nothing too crazy) in C4 would crit for about 3k-6k on all classes. C5 people cried for a nerf, but smart archers in C5 didn't get nerfed too much as those 6k crits turned into about 5.2k crits...

Has nothing to do with this server its just how the game was coded or how people buff. In C6 I literally 2-3 shotted Titans in the olympiad with a Wind Rider and I didn't even bother trying to get focus with a staff >.>

Think about it though, its not like archers can constantly crit you for the same amount of damage. Nukers when they nuke you (unless they crit) it's the same number over and over. If a mage nukes me for 350 damage, he will keep nuking me for that much unless he crits or zomg fails a nuke and i resist (which hardly happens unless the mage is a lowbie POS)
We won't even get into shield blocking on mages (who have NO shield masteries) and them being able to block hits from fighter classes. I won't even mention how when the shield blocks the fighter's attack does only 1 damage (even on crits) but when a mage fails an attack or you resist they do half damage... hows that fair?

Bottom line, remove this damn skill please

[CaoNiMa]

can i know what are u guys are talking about?

:)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/aelegent/lawlmages.jpg

COME on does it HAVE to be called "super protect" so stupid... remove this skill antonius or give the fighters something to toggle that improves Mdef.

Oh wow just noticed that it gives Mdef too! Because you know all those PASSIVES FOR ANTI MAGIC you get as a mystic from lvl 1-78 don't help enough!

[antonius]

this skill is only for spellsinger and archmage its not for all mages, its to get a balanced pvp to them and this skill dont work in olympiad games.


Archers gotta a good critical // soultaker gotta transfer pain and silence and what spellsinger has? a nerfed cancel :)

[NETUNO]

this skill is only for spellsinger and archmage its not for all mages, its to get a balanced pvp to them and this skill dont work in olympiad games.


Archers gotta a good critical // soultaker gotta transfer pain and silence and what spellsinger has? a nerfed cancel :)


Because spellhowler it does not have this skill?



"it is the question"

[CaoNiMa]

this skill is only for spellsinger and archmage its not for all mages, its to get a balanced pvp to them and this skill dont work in olympiad games.


Archers gotta a good critical // soultaker gotta transfer pain and silence and what spellsinger has? a nerfed cancel :)

I don't care who has it, I still find it pretty LOL that all mages didn't get it, but the fact is they don't need it in the first place....learn to play your class and learn to know what you can kill and what can kill you! THIS is how you play L2, not complain to the sever mods about how "unbalanced" it is when this game is forever unbalanced until it's end.

I'll have to agree with the above miscreant that posted, spellhowlers got jipped yo! whatchu gonna do about this? Nerf their INT? Increase their max cast speed?

Oh I know a solution.

Get rid of this skill so that no mages gain or lose from this.

Simple no?

[NETUNO]

What is “miscreant”?

[CaoNiMa]

What is “miscreant”?

It's the result of having a vocabulary that is much larger than your genitalia.

KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!!!!

[CaoNiMa]

I love how people voted NABS :D I can guess who did those two votes!

[NETUNO]

It's the result of having a vocabulary that is much larger than your genitalia.

KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!!!!



...

[CaoNiMa]

Just like in game, you got rolled.

Forum style!

[NETUNO]

Just like in game, you got rolled.

Forum style!


Forum player.

[CaoNiMa]

Hey remember when Veritas came down to DVC noble port and popped you?

That was me :)

[CaoNiMa]

(Insert poor attempt to defend here)

[CaoNiMa]

Come on! An armless person could type a poorly attempted insult at me! I dont have all night!

[NETUNO]

lol dez


u it lives of the game?


I do not remember to all players that I to kill. u remember?

[CaoNiMa]

Yes I remember, because my head isn't filled with sawdust like yours.
I can name other people that were there too! Ikurama came after me when I 2 shotted you and about 30 kariks were tailing me too while he was nuking me for about 200 damage per crappy SpS nuke.

Silly people I buff differently than Veritas does on Veritas >.> (confused yet? GOOD.)

[NETUNO]

u is nerd...

life in the game.

u it does not know to speak…

only to insult.


life in the game.

[CaoNiMa]

u is nerd...

life in the game.

u it does not know to speak…

only to insult.


life in the game.

I'm a self proclaimed nerd, I don't care! I'm a nerd! But you're a nerd too if you play right? Since I'm playing this nerd game and posting on the nerd forums and arguing with a mod on the nerd forums for a nerd game.

I'm a nerd, and I love it. (Guys love it too tbh tbh!)
I'm smarter than you NETUNO (every time I read your name I think about tuna for whatever reason :s) and I will continue to out wit you since you're not smart enough to realise that every reply you make just makes you look THAT much dumber.
"Life in the game" has been used enough tonight, can't think of anything else?

[NETUNO]

I do not go to be arguing with a person who passed all night insulting.


sorry.

[CaoNiMa]

I do not go to be arguing with a person who passed all night insulting.


sorry.

You're still here arguing with me :)

[CaoNiMa]

And you're STILL about to reply to this post.

Way to prove my point.

[NETUNO]

You're still here arguing with me :)




I am not arguing...

I made a question for antonius… u insulted me.


i go to sleep.

[CaoNiMa]

I hope the devil "moderates" your dreams tonight

[NETUNO]

u sick person.

[CaoNiMa]

Love you too baby. <3

[bLANkA]

YOU SICK PERSON OMFG aahAhAHAhsdASFA

[CaoNiMa]

Yeah that was f*cking classic, I HAD to add it :D

[elKabroN]

lol.. why necros and spellhowlers doesnt have it???

ok .. lets see:
SpellSingers got the best Cast Speed in L2
SpellHowlers got the best M. Atk in L2
Necros got TP...
Sorcerers... lol.. poor sorc...

so what? is it not balanced?

im sorry GMs, but if you wanna CHANGE the whole game, give more p atk to dwarfs and make warlords use bows... to adequate to this server's pvp.... or even give a silence to sorcerers stop crying....

it's not right to change how the game works... give to everyone (even bishops) or anyone!

[antonius]

When we go to C5 and gotta the cancel effect working right retail C5 effect, that take only 5 buffs we will remove that skill .

Right now we had to nerferd a lot the cancel, the cast time of it is very very slow and always u can run and stop the cast.

Without the cancel the spellsingers and archmage are nothing.


This new skill only give 10% of m def and 10% of pdef.

Take easy guys,

:)

[Asciushaman]

I love how people voted NABS :D I can guess who did those two votes!

:D now there's only one more u don't know who is... =P

[CaoNiMa]

When we go to C5 and gotta the cancel effect working right retail C5 effect, that take only 5 buffs we will remove that skill .

Right now we had to nerferd a lot the cancel, the cast time of it is very very slow and always u can run and stop the cast.

Without the cancel the spellsingers and archmage are nothing.


This new skill only give 10% of m def and 10% of pdef.

Take easy guys,

:)



The cast time HAD to be nerfed on here because you had no other choice, the choices of buffs available made SPS way too fast, that was fine.

Give fighters a toggle like this or just remove it altogether. I don't give a rats ass if it's only 2% increase, that's 2% more that they really don't need.

[Veritas]

When we go to C5 and gotta the cancel effect working right retail C5 effect, that take only 5 buffs we will remove that skill .

Right now we had to nerferd a lot the cancel, the cast time of it is very very slow and always u can run and stop the cast.

Without the cancel the spellsingers and archmage are nothing.


This new skill only give 10% of m def and 10% of pdef.

Take easy guys,

:)

antonius give fighters 10% mdef if its not a big deal it nerfs all fighters man. SpS can rape an archer now. BULLSHIT. STOP TRYING TO L2CR FIX THE GAME AND LEAVE IT ALONE YOU ONLY HURT THE GAME PLAY.

If we should take it easy look at the pole dude, its not equal. WE all know mystics are over powered STOP TRYING TO OVERPOWER THEM MORE.

THEY GET SHIELD DEFENCE, DO FIGHTERS? I HAVE NEVER ONCE SEEN A MYTIC HIT FOR 1 DAMAGE SO WHERE IS THE SKILL FOR THAT SHIT? NOW THEY GET MDEF / PDEF SKILL BULLSHIT.

DROP IT.

Give me a reason? they get shield defence correct?
AM I RIGHT?
now you want to give them more?

WHY ?

Just admit it, u want 100% stuped mytics running around then, EVERYONE DROP FIGHTERS ITS POINTLESS THIS SERVER IS FOR MYSTICS ITS 100% OFFICAL. YEAH great server here.

I crit a Mystic now for 1.5K if the shield defence doesnt make it 1 damage now WTF screw this. Take the still away or give fighters a skill for mdef to equal it out to be honest fighters dont even have a chance for a mystic skill to miss do we? but arrows and swords do. Man JUST step back and think about it. There is a reason MP shouldn't be like a HP pot. Mystic start the game hitting harder and faster than fighters thats why they only have soooooo much MP.

[CaoNiMa]

"When we go C5..." thats all I ever hear you've been promising C5 since April when I first came on this server and NOTHING has been done yet, just a bunch of BULL really. There hasn't been ANY improvements and people are allowed to run rampant on here without worrying about getting into trouble for it. When other players call out the cheaters and ask for the to get punished, they get nothing but a slap on the wrist from the admins and a sissy little warning. You think these people don't know the rules? You think they don't know when they're breaking the rules on purpose? Why do they do this over and over again? Because they know they can get away with it, meanwhile when Leonidas was on here everytime someone cried about something he did/said the admins were all over it like fking white on rice, they even started to ban people from his alliance that spoke up and can you explain the chat bannings for no reason?

People from jhere have voted, it's 11 votes against 2! The majority has spoken, REMOVE that stupid "super protect" I don't give a flying shit if it gives .000000001% fking mdef and pdef bonus, it's not a skill listed in the official database (lol wait wait!!!) but you seemt o have it on here when a LOT of the retail skills are missing: Switch doesn't work in PVP and same with the glady skill people have been complaining about for whatever how long now...erase doesn't even exist...what you're afraid people will banish summons like they SHOULD be able to? tyou protecting the necromancers on here? (yet another overplayed class on here), why is mana burn a DoT? To drain a mage with that skill it takes 6-7 nukes, not one and then kite them around like a moron, until their mp is gone, melee takes 4 nukes with that skill, again not one...why is this skill edited? WHY in gods name does a Destroyer need TWO zealots? (yet another class thats overplayed on here)...Skills can't be fixed on here but they can be removeved completely or edited...or even have new skills added that don't even make sense and shouldn't exist in the first place. SpS definately don't need somrhting like that, log in and check, people play Sorc and SPS and they did before this stupid skill was implemented so it's not like the classes are complete trash without this skill... doesn't take much to play a Mage in PVP, its literally 2 buttons (3 if you have vortex...) and keep spamming those over and over again until your target is dead! You don't have to think about evasion, people can't evade magic! Can't block it...don't worry about defenses either, just surrender and nuke until the other person falls! Non challenging class, I had a SPS sub that I took to 78, 3rd class change and I deleted it because it was just stupid playing a mage, stupidly easy.

Majority rules, remove this skill.

[xXNoMercyXx]

antonius give fighters 10% mdef if its not a big deal it nerfs all fighters man. SpS can rape an archer now. BULLSHIT. STOP TRYING TO L2CR FIX THE GAME AND LEAVE IT ALONE YOU ONLY HURT THE GAME PLAY.

If we should take it easy look at the pole dude, its not equal. WE all know mystics are over powered STOP TRYING TO OVERPOWER THEM MORE.

THEY GET SHIELD DEFENCE, DO FIGHTERS? I HAVE NEVER ONCE SEEN A MYTIC HIT FOR 1 DAMAGE SO WHERE IS THE SKILL FOR THAT SHIT? NOW THEY GET MDEF / PDEF SKILL BULLSHIT.

DROP IT.

Give me a reason? they get shield defence correct?
AM I RIGHT?
now you want to give them more?

WHY ?

Just admit it, u want 100% stuped mytics running around then, EVERYONE DROP FIGHTERS ITS POINTLESS THIS SERVER IS FOR MYSTICS ITS 100% OFFICAL. YEAH great server here.

I crit a Mystic now for 1.5K if the shield defence doesnt make it 1 damage now WTF screw this. Take the still away or give fighters a skill for mdef to equal it out to be honest fighters dont even have a chance for a mystic skill to miss do we? but arrows and swords do. Man JUST step back and think about it. There is a reason MP shouldn't be like a HP pot. Mystic start the game hitting harder and faster than fighters thats why they only have soooooo much MP.

Come on veritas u have Scion +++++ u get 3.5 critical to mage what's ur problem!2 arrows and the mage down!if antonius give one retail skill to fighters that means mage delete from game...So relax and play:D that's my opinion:D:D :D :D

[CHiLaFiNiTy]

guys omg what is wrong with you
hmmmm....... kite ....whats that ???
ahahhahah
1v1 acher/mage acher wins
i think you guys prefer playing lazy just run in stand still take the hits and never die
now that you acualy have to work for the pvp point you unhappy
i play all classes on this sever and my idea is that shure some classes have weaker "stats"
but that just means you got to change your style of play ...and dwarf ... this is a high rate sever man dwarfs are always gonna suk(unless the person playing on them is realy good). no offence to anny one playing on one.
and veritas dude wtf every one knows you arent a noob do you actualy have a problem fighting mage ????? i dont beleve it

[CHiLaFiNiTy]

"When we go C5..." thats all I ever hear you've been promising C5 since April when I first came on this server and NOTHING has been done yet, just a bunch of BULL really. There hasn't been ANY improvements and people are allowed to run rampant on here without worrying about getting into trouble for it. When other players call out the cheaters and ask for the to get punished, they get nothing but a slap on the wrist from the admins and a sissy little warning. You think these people don't know the rules? You think they don't know when they're breaking the rules on purpose? Why do they do this over and over again? Because they know they can get away with it, meanwhile when Leonidas was on here everytime someone cried about something he did/said the admins were all over it like fking white on rice, they even started to ban people from his alliance that spoke up and can you explain the chat bannings for no reason?

People from jhere have voted, it's 11 votes against 2! The majority has spoken, REMOVE that stupid "super protect" I don't give a flying shit if it gives .000000001% fking mdef and pdef bonus, it's not a skill listed in the official database (lol wait wait!!!) but you seemt o have it on here when a LOT of the retail skills are missing: Switch doesn't work in PVP and same with the glady skill people have been complaining about for whatever how long now...erase doesn't even exist...what you're afraid people will banish summons like they SHOULD be able to? tyou protecting the necromancers on here? (yet another overplayed class on here), why is mana burn a DoT? To drain a mage with that skill it takes 6-7 nukes, not one and then kite them around like a moron, until their mp is gone, melee takes 4 nukes with that skill, again not one...why is this skill edited? WHY in gods name does a Destroyer need TWO zealots? (yet another class thats overplayed on here)...Skills can't be fixed on here but they can be removeved completely or edited...or even have new skills added that don't even make sense and shouldn't exist in the first place. SpS definately don't need somrhting like that, log in and check, people play Sorc and SPS and they did before this stupid skill was implemented so it's not like the classes are complete trash without this skill... doesn't take much to play a Mage in PVP, its literally 2 buttons (3 if you have vortex...) and keep spamming those over and over again until your target is dead! You don't have to think about evasion, people can't evade magic! Can't block it...don't worry about defenses either, just surrender and nuke until the other person falls! Non challenging class, I had a SPS sub that I took to 78, 3rd class change and I deleted it because it was just stupid playing a mage, stupidly easy.

Majority rules, remove this skill.

you need to relax on the gm ^^ ive had my own c6 sever and a c5 to c6 conversion is like
praying to god and expecting an answer.....might happen might not.
you see the databace is almost completely incompatible (and if anton just wipes it and starts a c6 ....by by donates every one starts from scrach)plus he is prabalbly gonna keep it high rate so that in its self gives problems, shure the gm can change the rates instantly in the gm console BUT go from x1 to x100 the whole sever goes WTF none of the quests work properly, now the gm has to edit the script for all the quests .....hmm have funn
i mean its not only quests he needs to rebuild every thing the cr weps the mog the mos the aio's the mobs for ai none of these are stock im just happy he is willing to try, plus he hasto deal with people giving him shit every step of the way (not a very rewarding job)
he aso has to arange avents and people that donate, pay the bills keep the website working .....it just goes on and on ..shure he has SOME help but stil will you want to give all your free time to people that are gonna give you shit no matter what you do....??
there is allways gonna be people that are not happy thats just the way it is

[CaoNiMa]

Chila theres a few facts that I'm pointing out here in this thread:

1) DON'T make promises you can't keep
2) People are asking for a rediculously stupid skill (that doesn't even exist) to be removed and we all very know it won't freaking happen so now everyone is going to rull Sorc and SpS chars/subclasses. Because hey! They now have an "edge" because the admins thought that the class was horribly nerfed just because they changed the casting time on ONE skill. Mages were already pretty rediculous with cancel, but trust me they don't need extra pdef/mdef toggles to make them even more rediculous.

Sure I agree no one will be happy because we're all fucking picky little bitches but you know what? That's human nature unfortunately and this is the "suggestion" section. Why is it that the annoying alliances on here can CRY CRY CRY T^T when they don't like something and the admins jump on it to keep them happy (example: anything that Leonidas did and other alliances didn't like), but other people notice things wrong with skills that are pratically vital to their class for PVP and they STILL haven't been answered (ie plainswalker players, tyrant players, anyone that noticed that Erase is missing, summon friend is missing, etc skills are missing)? I mean this server is mainly focused on PVP right? What other reason do we have to play a high rate server? I'm sick of hitting switch and only seeing it work on mobs when it was changed the same chronicle as trick and hate and they all work in PVP, not just PVE, wanna know what it's like to play a class with skills that are broken? Sure I've been doing somwhat okay without it, but with it trust me it would be more enjoyable, I like my class and I don't want to reroll because of one skill but please for the love of god, if they have enough time/patience to give a small "insignificant" skill like this to mages why is it so hard to fix other skills for people who've been asking forever and ever to have them fixed? (ie: PlainsWalkers, Tyrants, Gladis) I'm pretty sure its harder to code a completely NEW skill to a server than it is to modify the code for a skill that already exists in the database....

Savvy?

[Asciushaman]

Chila theres a few facts that I'm pointing out here in this thread:

1) DON'T make promises you can't keep
2) People are asking for a rediculously stupid skill (that doesn't even exist) to be removed and we all very know it won't freaking happen so now everyone is going to rull Sorc and SpS chars/subclasses. Because hey! They now have an "edge" because the admins thought that the class was horribly nerfed just because they changed the casting time on ONE skill. Mages were already pretty rediculous with cancel, but trust me they don't need extra pdef/mdef toggles to make them even more rediculous.

Sure I agree no one will be happy because we're all fucking picky little bitches but you know what? That's human nature unfortunately and this is the "suggestion" section. Why is it that the annoying alliances on here can CRY CRY CRY T^T when they don't like something and the admins jump on it to keep them happy (example: anything that Leonidas did and other alliances didn't like), but other people notice things wrong with skills that are pratically vital to their class for PVP and they STILL haven't been answered (ie plainswalker players, tyrant players, anyone that noticed that Erase is missing, summon friend is missing, etc skills are missing)? I mean this server is mainly focused on PVP right? What other reason do we have to play a high rate server? I'm sick of hitting switch and only seeing it work on mobs when it was changed the same chronicle as trick and hate and they all work in PVP, not just PVE, wanna know what it's like to play a class with skills that are broken? Sure I've been doing somwhat okay without it, but with it trust me it would be more enjoyable, I like my class and I don't want to reroll because of one skill but please for the love of god, if they have enough time/patience to give a small "insignificant" skill like this to mages why is it so hard to fix other skills for people who've been asking forever and ever to have them fixed? (ie: PlainsWalkers, Tyrants, Gladis) I'm pretty sure its harder to code a completely NEW skill to a server than it is to modify the code for a skill that already exists in the database....

Savvy?

/agree 100000%

Mage classes (SpS and Sorc) were not bad before Super Protect, i was used to play with my SpS with not a lot of problems and with sorcerer too. They are mages! Weak against phisical attacks, if u want some strong use a dominator (that have really a lowlowlowlow chanche with their seals in olympiad and that sucks a lot...)
And one thing more... try a spellhowler now.. he sucks against all mages if silence don't work. And that sucks too, more unbalanced classes...
I've herared about the "betray" skill is bugged too and this is very useful in PvP.

So I say what says Caonima, fix the official skills, is better than wasting time with this custom things

[joe9003]

What to say ! stupid skill and sounds stupid wtf is this char balancing all about any way i want to see the mage run , we have aio for a reason if they are so worryed about c5 let them change the aio to fit the pvp.
Next we will see spoiler's with death spike and warsmiths summoning flying pigs.

[Asciushaman]

warsmiths summoning flying pigs.

this will rule

[antonius]

Man its not like this we have over 3k players on l2cr and the only 11 votes here.


After we get cancel the right effect we are going to remove this skill.

We cant add 10% p def and m def in fighters because they are already stronger.

After we get the right effect of cancel we can get the right cast time of it.

This skill only add 10% of m/pdef to sps and sorc.

Its not for all mages just for those 2 mages that dont have any other good skills, only cancel that was very nerferd.

Dont have stun like a lot of fighers dont hit critical all the time.

You can beat a sps and a sorc very easy, that was the reason we added it to get ballanced.

No one was playing with sps and sorc because it was very nerferd.

Or we increase the cast time of cancel or we leave the way it is, i think the way it is better.

Because the cancel right now its removing 10-15 buffs.

[CaoNiMa]

Man its not like this we have over 3k players on l2cr and the only 11 votes here.
The above sentence is INVALID because when someone made a poll(was it you? :s) about changing the Hero polearm months ago, I'm pretty sure not EVERYONE voted but you still took action right?

After we get cancel the right effect we are going to remove this skill.
I just run from cancelling range, no big deal or straight up pk the caster.

We cant add 10% p def and m def in fighters because they are already stronger.
not strong m-def wise, and again robes are like wearing paper. Getting hit will hurt you, if you're a mage you're playing a class that will get hit hard, just like anyone playing light armored classes, don't expect to be able to tank raid bosses in light armor!

Another thing I must add: Mages can alter their CON stat (which affects chances of getting stunned, carrying capacity, Max HP count so they can take more hits...) Fighters as of C4 cannot touch their MEN (MAX MP, resistance to debuffs like root, Mdef, MP regen rate...)
So not only can the mages have about 1500+ Pdef (depending on buffs and if you're a hero on a scrub mage subclass) but add another 10% on top of that... :/ and like I mentioned before mages have passives against magic so their mdef is already pretty rediculous...


After we get the right effect of cancel we can get the right cast time of it.
So adding in a skill thats completely unfair to the other mage classes and to everyone else playing non sps/sorc is going to help make the cancel situation better? I don't think so :/


This skill only add 10% of m/pdef to sps and sorc.
They don't need this, and if they did I'm sure everyone else would be needing it too ne?

Its not for all mages just for those 2 mages that dont have any other good skills, only cancel that was very nerferd.
I'll agree that Sorcs get the crappy crap end of the skill stick (until Throne 1), but sps have TONS of other skills they can use in pvp, much more debuffing skills than the other classes..why do they need something like this? Cancel isn't everything you know!

Dont have stun like a lot of fighers dont hit critical all the time.
True they don't crit a lot but they deal consistant damage per nuke, like i pointed out a BAZILLION times before, if a mage nukes you once for 500 damage, he will always nuke you for 500 damage after that unless he's lucky enough to crit (which happens often with dance of siren and Wild magic and PoW) Fighters crit often to, but they don't hit for the same amount every shot, not even their crits match either.

You can beat a sps and a sorc very easy, that was the reason we added it to get ballanced.
Adding this skill made it even MORE unbalanced.

No one was playing with sps and sorc because it was very nerferd.
That's false, there's always been TONS of sps playing, not a lot of sorcs but LOTS and LOTS of SpS playing.

Or we increase the cast time of cancel or we leave the way it is, i think the way it is better.

Because the cancel right now its removing 10-15 buffs.
Whatever, just remove this stupid skill.

The masses have spoken!

[Nova]

agree! Mages are DAMAGE DEALERs, not Tanks :)
They are in the front of a fight and have to die as first ^_^

[rorke]

I play a lot of fighter classes and I think it's fine o__o; Also refer to my post in http://forum.l2cr.com/showthread.php?p=22045#post22045 ...if you're too lazy to then just so you get the main idea.. most fighter classes were already given a M.def passive skill... Cancel is what makes a sorc/sps and it was nerfed hard. For people who don't know how to evade cancel are simply going to need more practice. The thing is though, classes keep getting buffed up or nerfed to "balance" yet it's always taken a bit too far, so that the classes on the other end end up needing to be buffed/nerfed as well. All that is needed is to find a balance, and stick with it. Stop changing stuff around. And as for this mage toggle.. I don't think this is what's stopping archers and other classes from winning.. Mages have such low Pdef to begin with that the 10% boost is almost nothing. Ok so now archer crits can hit a SpS for 200 less damage than before.. it's not that big of a deal. If you can't kill a mage as an archer, then you either forgot your mdef buffs or their equip is over enchanted (or illegal lol). Try enchanting stun shot - or any stun skill - to at least +9 or something, that stops mages dead.. Also archers aren't always the best choice, rushing in as a melee (preferrably dagger) can destroy mages. This server is mostly mass pvp anyways so just target someone else if you can't handle the heat from the mages. Like I said, I have not had too many problems with mages around my level with similar gear.
If none of these things work, try making a +7 or higher tatossean jewel set. It doesn't take that long and your mdef will be through the roof. I'm sure you can sacrifice a couple CR/Boss jewels for a fight. I always carry multiple items with me and switch them depending on situation.
Oh..and this toggle doesn't work in olympiad, and fighters who received the passive M.def buff gets to keep it for that. So no problems there.

Strategy is always nice to have when Pvp'ing as well. Btw, if no one agrees then I think the best thing would be to give all classes a toggle that makes you immortal so that we all feel like we're balanced for once.

[CaoNiMa]

I only play fighter classes as I've always said mages were "stupid easy" to play. (Which is true) I just dont think they needed this toggle as the classes were fine just before. I always run out of cancel range, or just pop their asses dead.

There was no other choice but to give an mdef passive to melee classes, esp on a server where everything is boosted so much. I laugh at mages attacks against me because I buff against anything I know is coming my way (ive had other daggers complain about how my buffs were sucky but they don't understand why I go full defense >.> to each their own!)

Just the point is, mages are crying because they get hit so hard...look at the class you're playing! It's not meant for taking hits!

Nice post Chance